Comments on the reconstruction of: [.justin]: on the uselessness of Video Surveillance.

Jeremy. I couldn't agree more.

2008-08-17T09:10:00.000-07:00

Jeremy. I couldn't agree more.

wow that's a sad state of affairs. My cd face pla...

2008-08-16T22:29:00.000-07:00

wow that's a sad state of affairs. My cd face plate got stolen out of the alley too. I was in the church for about 1/2 hour. I called the police but I knew it was pointless then and they pretty much agreed with me. Still had to do the right thing. Then again it was my fault for not locking up. Coveting and temptation is a hard thing to avoid in the world.

Good thing we have treasure no one can steal. :)

here's the thing with surveillance systems and the...

2008-08-16T09:19:00.000-07:00

here's the thing with surveillance systems and the SPD and MCSD. Unless someone is assaulted, drugs are involved, or the theft/property damage is huge, they will not pursue the criminal.

I can elaborate further in person, but i know a business whose surveillance system caught thieves in the act with enough evidence and clarity to ID them - enough that a jury would convict. The cops did NOTHING. They did about three hours of detective work, to the point where they know who did it and they did nothing else.

So for Justin's beef about stuff stolen, sorry, even if you get a clear mug shot of the criminal, they wont get busted.

Brad's point on assaults is another issue altogether. Here, i expect our police would in fact push to an arrest.

So, from a safety standpoint, i think the surveillance system is an interesting idea, but for theft its clearly pointless.

I am glad you posted this because it gives me anot...

2008-08-16T06:59:00.000-07:00

I am glad you posted this because it gives me another avenue to push a surveillance system for the church. I know this isn't exactly what you are talking about but I really want to see this happen, and leadership said they had someone starting a team to discuss security but that hasn't happened yet.

Oh and I am sorry you got all those things stolen, I get so angry when things are stolen; to me its infuriating beyond most things.

I just want to say that in our church there are 6 or more exits out of the building. All expect one door has no one near them or anything close to "monitoring". Knowing the town we live in, high amounts of sexual predators per capita we cant afford to be ill prepared. I dont have to explain all the potential problems with that but we have had known offenders in the building and walking around but not really attending (thats a completely different post).

Worse case scenario a child is snagged and is taken out a rear/side exit and no one sees. If we had a camera or surveillance system, we have a chance of seeing time frames, id'ing those responsible, potentially prudent information to finding a taken child quickly.

I dont know if this all makes sense but as the construction process moves forward I will be pushing harder for this to happen as well as exploring all other security concerns.

Nothing like a bunch of pistol packing baptist to keep the church safe.